Episode 02 · Who pays? ·
American Express Pays Delta More Than Delta's Entire Profit
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In 2025, American Express paid Delta $8.2 billion. Delta's operating profit for the entire year was $5.8 billion. Both numbers are in the same annual report.
Is your airline in the business of flying planes, or selling miles? This episode follows the money from the swipe fee to the mile.
In this episode
- What a mile costs the airline (United buys its own miles at "a minimum rate of one cent per mile, plus an additional margin")
- Why the miles were worth more than the airline in 2020, and who bailed out whom
- Why the card, not the flight, is what keeps your miles alive
- About $27 billion of unredeemed miles on the big three's books, and the number none of them will publish
- Who actually pays for your miles
Chapters
- 0:00 Two numbers from the same report
- 0:39 It's not the bag fees
- 1:26 The three questions
- 1:51 What a mile really costs the airline
- 4:01 How a bank ends up paying more than the airline earns
- 6:29 Spring 2020: the miles worth twice the airline
- 8:14 The program's biggest customer isn't a bank
- 10:09 It gets worse
- 13:13 The other side
- 14:16 Who actually pays for your miles
- 16:45 What's next
Sources
- Delta Air Lines, Form 10-K for 2025
- United Airlines, Form 8-K, MileagePlus financing (June 15, 2020)
- American Airlines, Form 10-K for 2025
Gear and reading for this episode
Travel gear
Under-seat carry-on backpack
Fits the smallest personal-item size most airlines allow, so no checked-bag or carry-on fee. Check your airline's current size limits first.
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Packing cubes
Lets you fit a trip into a personal-item bag, which is how you skip the checked-bag fee.
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Digital luggage scale
Weight limits are where the surprise fees live. Weigh the bag at home.
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Portable phone charger
A long layover is cheaper with a full battery than with an airport outlet queue.
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